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ETNİK BİR KİMLİK OLARAK HEMŞİNLİLER

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Postby el-hemşini » 29 Jun 2007, 09:09

benim sorum sanki biraz güme gitti. --hemşinlilerin "ermeni kökenli" olduğu konusunda ermenilerin fikri, düşüncesi, tavrı nedir?-- diye sormuştum.
Eğer bir Ermeniye Hemşinli olduğunuzu ve üstüne üstlük Müslüman olduğunuzu vs vs söylediğiniz zaman aldığınız cevap (en hafifinden) dalganızın geçilmesi. "Madem ki dilini ve dinini yitirmişsin hainsin o zaman" gibi bir cevap bile almanız mümkün. Tecrubeyle sabittir bu. Tabi Dünya üzerinde yaşayan her Ermeninin böyle düşündüğünü veya tavrının böyle olduğunu söylemem mümkün değil. İstatistik yapmadım.
Genel tavrı merak ediyorum ben.
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Postby Garmicur » 29 Jun 2007, 14:07

Hemsinli_Asi :

Sehir ermeniceden bas ediyorsun , bu sehir ermenicesine hangisi giriyor ,
Ermenistandaki konusulan ermenice farkli türkiyede konusulan Ermenice farkli , Sen zaten birden ikisinide ögrenmen biraz zor olacaktir , sen önce bir lehceye kararvermen lazim , buda Hemsince olsa daha iyi olur diye düsünüyorum .
Hemsince ögrenme sansim yok diyorsun, eyer sende istek varsa hemsince ögrenme yolunu bulursun , bizim agzimiz hemsinceye daha yatkin , bu yüzden hemsinceyi ögrenmekte daha kolay olacaktir.

Hemsin kültürü kayip oluyor diyorsun , sen sehire giderek yada orda dogarak , kendi kültürüne önem vermezsen ve sehir yasantisina özenirsen kayip olur tabi , Sehir yasamini ayak uyduracaksin ama geldigin yeride unutmuyacaksin, ben türkiyede yetismedim ama geldigim yeride hic bir zaman unutmadim , ben yasadigim yere cok güzel sekilde ayak uydurmusum ama hemsine gittigimde ayni o insanlargibi olabiliyorum , konusmamla , davranisimla , hislerimle tipik bir hemsinli olabiliyorum .
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Postby HeMSiNLi_Asi » 29 Jun 2007, 14:58

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Postby hagop » 29 Jun 2007, 18:37

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Postby el-hemşini » 30 Jun 2007, 14:42

teşekkür ediyorum cevabın için.
iki toplumun birbirini tanımaya başlaması eminim ki bu tür tepkileri azaltacaktır.
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Postby hagop » 30 Jun 2007, 17:47

Hemfikiriz. Ben de sana ve diger arkadaslara yapici yaklasimlariniz icin tesekkur ediyorum.

Bir de dun unuttum yazmaya. Araplarin 1915'te Ermenilere gosterdikleri genelde cok efendice tavir Ermenilerde Musluman=kotu imajini buyuk olcude sildi.

Bir de enteresan baska bir noktayi da belirteyim. Dun Katolikler diyordum. Hemsin ve Hemsin daglarinin (Kackarlarin) hemen guneyindeki Coruh vadisinde kitlesel olarak Islamlasmanin yasandigi zamanlarda, Coruh vadisinde bir kisim koy de baska bir cikis yolu olarak Avrupa devletlerine Katolik olmak icin muracaat etti. Bu yaklasim kismen basarili oldu cunku 20ci yuzyilin basinda bir duzine kadar koy Ermeni olarak kalabildi. Bu Ermeni Katolik koylerinin en baslicasi Hemsinlilerin iyi bildigi, cok gelip gittikleri Khodorcur'dur (simdilerde biraz bozulmus olarak Hodecur diye biliniyor). Okudugum kadariyla dil, sosyal ve kan baglari bakimindan Hemsine en yakin olan bu koydu.
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