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Postby hamsetsi_ahpar » 20 Mar 2007, 23:31

Hemshinli: The Forgotten Black Sea Armenians
Bert Vaux, Harvard University
1. Introduction to the history, language, and culture of the Hemshinli
If asked to identify the inheritors of the Black Sea coast region once inhabited by the Pontic
Greeks and the Trabzon and Artvin Armenians, many would correctly identify the Laz in Turkey
and the Abkhaz and other Caucasian tribes in Georgia and southern Russia. However, few know
of the existence of one of the most widespread and populous groups in this area, which has a
population of as many as several hundred thousand worldwide. This group, the hemshinli or
residents of Hamshen1, occupies a continuous area stretching from the Black Sea province of
Trabzon, Rize, anSamsun in north-central Turkey to southern Russia in the north. There are also
significant Hemshinli communities in the northwestern provinces of western Turkey, in various
cities in Central Asia, and amongst the guest workers in Germany.
One is immediately struck by two facts about the Hemshinli: they are originally
Armenian, and the Hemshinli in Turkey are Muslim.
The presence of these enigmatic Armenians in the Black Sea area raises many interesting
and difficult questions:
• Who exactly are the Hemshinli?
• When did they come into the area?
• Where did they come from?
• Why are they generally unknown to the outside world?
• What effect has Islamicization had on their language and culture?
In this paper I develop the beginnings of an answer to these questions, based on my fieldwork
with a number of young Hemshinli as well as some of their Christian counterparts in Abkhazia.
My primary Hemshinli informant is a young man in his twenties named "Cengiz"2, who was
born and raised in the village of Köprücü, located 5 kilometers from the Georgian border and
from the Black Sea coast in the Artvin province. On the other side of the border my main source
of information is a man of the same age named Avik Topchyan, whose family comes from the
town of Novyj Afon in Abkhazia.
1.1. Who are the Hemshinli?
There are three basic subgroups of Hemshinli:
Thanks to Hagop Hachikian, James Russell, and audiences at Columbia University (April
1996) and Southfield, Michigan (November 2000) for comments on earlier versions of this
paper. Throughout this paper I transcribe all Homshetsma forms in both (Western) Armenian
orthography and the native Homshetsma orthography, which is based on the Turkish system.
(For details of this system see Vaux 2001.)
1The term in their language is actually homße(n)…i homshe(n)tsi, plural homßen…iÏ
homshe(n)tsik; the Turkish term hemshinli technically refers only to Muslim Homshentsik. I use
hemshinli rather than homshentsik throughout this paper because it is better known outside of the
local community.

2 Names have been changed to protect the innocent.


İsa kiyez vov TÜRKÇENUYUZ çevirebilir ???

20 sayfaa isa kiyez yes istuz kiyoğum


WHO CAN TURN THIS WRITING TO TURKISH
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Postby himi_inch_enik » 21 Mar 2007, 19:00

selamlar
yes himi isa turkceyin tornaszenogum memal turkceyin kiyogum... inch bes elloga chikdim ama soy ellitog deyi tadogum:D
hala put enik inch bes elloga:


Hemshinli: The Forgotten Black Sea Armenians
Bert Vaux, Harvard University
(hemsinliler=unutulmus karadeniz ermenileri)
1. Introduction to the history, language, and culture of the Hemshinli
(hemsin(liler) tarihi dili ve kulturune giris (tanitima (tanimlamaya) giris)

If asked to identify the inheritors of the Black Sea coast region once inhabited by the Pontic
Greeks and the Trabzon and Artvin Armenians
(eger karadeniz kiyi bolgesinde bir zamanlar yasamis olan Pontus rumlari ve trabzon _artvin ermenilerinin bugunku varislerini teshis edin diye bi soru yoneltilse , cogunluk, turkiyede Lazlari, gurcistanda ve guney rusyada bulunan gurcu ve cerkez topluluklarini (guruplarini) dogru olarak belirleyecektir...

However, few know
of the existence of one of the most widespread and populous groups in this area, which has a
population of as many as several hundred thousand worldwide.
(bununla beraber sadece bir kac (pek az) kisi, bu bolgede en yaygin ve en kalabalik olarak bulunan topluluklardan biri olan ve dunya capindada sayisi binleri yuzleri bulan nufusa sahip hemsinlilerin varligindan haberdardir..)

This group, the hemshinli or
residents of Hamshen1, occupies a continuous area stretching from the Black Sea province of
Trabzon, Rize, anSamsun in north-central Turkey to southern Russia in the north.
(bu topluluk (gurup) hemsinliler (hamshen1 yerlileri) karadenizin turkiyenin kuzey merkezinde bulunan illeri: trabzon rize samsun 'dan baslayan ve kuzeyde guney rusyayaya kadar ulasan bolgede yer tutarlar (bulunurlar, ikamet ederler)...

There are also
significant Hemshinli communities in the northwestern provinces of western Turkey, in various
cities in Central Asia, and amongst the guest workers in Germany.
( ayrica kaydadeger sayida hemsinli topluluklari turkiye kuzey bati karadeniz illerinde, orta asyanin cesitli sehirlerinde, ve almanyada bulunan misafir isciler (almanyaya calismak icin giden kisiler) arasindada bulunmaktadir...

One is immediately struck by two facts about the Hemshinli: they are originally
Armenian, and the Hemshinli in Turkey are Muslim.
( ve akabinde dogrudan dogruya su iki gercek ile yuz yuze gelinir (bu iki gercek adeta carpar yuzumuze) ; hemsinliler aslinda ermenidirler, ve turkiyede bulunanlar _turkiyeli hemsinliler_ muslumandirlar...)

The presence of these enigmatic Armenians in the Black Sea area raises many interesting
and difficult questions:
(karadenizdeki bu muammali (esrarengiz, anlasilmaz) hemsinlilerin varligi ilginc ve zor sorulari akla getirir...
• Who exactly are the Hemshinli? (hemsinliler tam olarak kimdir?)
• When did they come into the area? (ne zaman bu bolgeye geldiler)
• Where did they come from? (nereden geldiler?)
• Why are they generally unknown to the outside world?
(neden genel olarak dis dunya tarafindan taninmiyorlar (bilinmiyorlar)?)
• What effect has Islamicization had on their language and culture?
(dil ve kulturleri uzerinde islamlasmanin (muslumanlasmanin) etkileri nelerdir?)

.........

kardes bunun devaminda sayin b. vaux bu sorulara cevap aramis ve bazi sonuclara-cevaplara varmistir..
hepsini cevirip (yada cevirmeye calisip) ole yazmak isterdim ama malesef suanki vaktim bu kadar idi artik ilerleyen kisimlarini zaman icinde yazarim eger yine istersen...
(ingilizcem mukemmel deildir kendi capimda cevirmeye caliscam artik kucuk anlam kaymalari belki olabilir fakat bunlari asgariye indirgemeye calisacagimdan emin olabilirsin..
bende bu yazinin tamami var zaten fakat ben cevirmemistim tembellik edip :P ama simdi nasipmis cevirmek senin isteginle)

onemli not :P

yazilanlari ceviriyo olmam birebir inaniyorum ve bu gorusu savunuyorum anlamina gelmez bunu da belirteyim dedim fakat bu demek deil ki cevirirken tarafli olacagim, hayir tamamen ceviri olacak yani taraf falan olmiycam ne varsa onu dilim dondugu bilgim yettigince cevirmeye calisicam..
(hatalarimiz olursa affola hakka girmeyelim (bert vaux 'un) adam o kadar yazmis saygi duymak lazim)

ilerki cevirilerde gorusme dilegiyle :P
(arkasi yarin gibi oldu :lol:


selamlar saygilar hurmetler :D
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Postby hamsetsi_ahpar » 22 Mar 2007, 02:48

Ağpar şad soy ağadza....

Teşekkür ederim çevirin için ,seninde bildiğin gibi bu yaklaşık 20 sayfalık( bende enazından ) bir çalışma ve ben oldukça önemsiyorum ve çokta merak ediyorum. Az çok anladığım kadarıyla da hemşince yazım konusunda da önemli bilgiler var ...

Vaktin olduğu zamanlarda çevirilerini bekleyeceğim ve çok güzel bir çalışma olacak...

Tuk tsedzi soy putaak ağparniyes...
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Postby himi_inch_enik » 22 Mar 2007, 03:54

selamlar

tamam kardes sen dert etme ben vaktim oldukca cevirip iletiticem...
bende de var soyledigim gibi arastirmalrim sirasinda rastlamistim hemsince yazimla ilgili fazla bilgi yok zannederim fakat ermenice kelimeler ve hemsince kelimeler karsilastirilmis
neyse zaten cevirilerimde okuyacaksin...
selamlar saygilar..
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