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who we are...?

Postby freeblacksea » 24 May 2007, 20:13

im from turkey also im a hamshen (hemshinli) hamshetsnak sad xabrecikayim :) also you got it from my types.... so im new here hopefully i can hear something from you soon

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Postby avetik » 24 May 2007, 20:16

Hello freeblacksea, and welcome to the group!
Glad to see you here.
Well, none of us can say that he knows everything about our culture and people. That's the purpose of this forum to share what we do know.
Hope you find this forum interesting.
As you noticed, we have many languages here, a few of which you may know, but probably not all of them at same time (I'm yet to meet that lucky person).
Regards,
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Postby fezile » 14 Jul 2007, 16:17

KİMİZ DİYE NİYE SORUYON?
HEPİMİZ ERMENİİZ. KİMİMİZ KABUL EDİYO BUNU KİMİMİZ ETMİYO. FARKLILIK BURADA
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Postby fezile » 14 Jul 2007, 16:18

BENCE BURADA TOPLANANLAR ERMENİLİĞİ KABUL EDENLER
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Postby Hayrik » 14 Jul 2007, 17:26

hamshetsnak sad xabrecikayim

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Postby avetik » 14 Jul 2007, 21:10

Hayrik can, zavali miy hemsinli misafirnin hayeren tarere inchbes bidi kidnan? Sorvadz chen... Maktab chka endegh xosh. Latin tarerov kirush gaynak na aveli xas gelli, allayke kirushnired gartan bidi.

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kidista miy baberun azbarininq himi menq,
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Postby Hayrik » 16 Jul 2007, 11:02

I know dear Avetik. I am writing in Armenian alphabet to show to the diasporan Armenians that we are one nation with one language.
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Postby avetik » 16 Jul 2007, 16:25

Hayrik can, if possible then could you also duplicate your replies in latin alphabet, so that our dear Hemsinli readers would able to read it as well.
Otherwise, it is rather hard for one who is not familiar with Armenian alphabet to learn it quickly. There are some ethnic Armenians here who may also not be familiar the alphabet due to the fact that they studied in non-Armenian schools (Russian is one of the examples). There are thousands Hamshetsi's in Krasnodar region and Abkhazia who went to Russian-language school, most of them are not familiar with Armenian alphabet and are, unfortunately, unlikely to learn it in future. Sad, but true. :cry: Meanwhile, we should be more inclusive. Agree?

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kidista miy baberun azbarininq himi menq,
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Postby Hayrik » 16 Jul 2007, 16:38

Agreed :wink:
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Postby princemishkin » 14 Aug 2007, 16:21

Dear Hemshinians, I have a question. I am from Çinçiva, the only Hemshin village as far as I know where people's last names end with "anç". Does anybody happen to know anything about it?

And a kindly warning to some Rize Hemshinians. There is no town called Çamlıhemşin. It is an official name given to Aşağı Vidze by the state some 50-60 years ago. There is only one hemshin in Rize. So it's not proper to say there are good relations between Hemshin and Çamlıhemşin.
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Postby avetik » 14 Aug 2007, 16:29

princemishkin wrote:Dear Hemshinians, I have a question. I am from Çinçiva, the only Hemshin village as far as I know where people's last names end with "anç". Does anybody happen to know anything about it?

And a kindly warning to some Rize Hemshinians. There is no town called Çamlıhemşin. It is an official name given to Aşağı Vidze by the state some 50-60 years ago. There is only one hemshin in Rize. So it's not proper to say there are good relations between Hemshin and Çamlıhemşin.


Dear princemishkin,
From what I can tell, "-anç" is from "-ants", since I guess Turkish language does not have "ts" in it, the last "ts" got changed to "ç". The ending of "-ants" is an archaic form meaning "of somebody"
For example, the family of Grigor will be "Grigoreants".

Not very clear on your second paragraph? Why Hemshin and Chamlihemshin is not the same thing? Can you please clarify?

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Postby hagop » 14 Aug 2007, 17:58

Hello Princemishkin,

Avetik is correct. The "-ants" and "-ents" suffixes in Armenian means the same thing as "-lerin" "-larin" suffixes in Turkish. For example the Hemshinli family names like Apelants (Apellerin) Hasan, Kirkorents (Kirkorlarin) Mustafa.

This feature is in most Hemshinli areas, not only in the village of Cinciva.

As for the name of Hemshin as a place, neither the town center of Hemshin "ilce", nor the town center of Camlihamshin "ilce" are really Hemshin. There was only one Hemshin administrative unit (kaza) in the past and the center of it apparently changed at different times. True, in the last century or two, it was in the the town center of Hemshin "ilce".

The "kaza" of Hemshin had today's Camlihemsin, Hemsin and parts of the neighboring "ilce"s of Cayeli, Pazar (Marmanat & a few other villages), and Ikizdere (Cimildere).
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Postby princemishkin » 14 Aug 2007, 18:18

Dear Avetik, we say ants aswell, I am just used to say anç, like the other hemshinians who have been living in the city for 2-3 generations. And I wanted to emphasize the artificial division of Hemshin. Hagop has explained very well. There are Hemshin villages in Pazar, ardeşen, Çayeli and Erzurum aswell.
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Hamsheni Last Names

Postby avetik » 14 Aug 2007, 19:09

It is funny to note, at the same time, the notion of Christian Hamshetsi (living today in Abkhazia and Russia) instead of using last name as other Armenians (with "yan" or "ian") we prefer (at least in older generations) to use last names differently:
For example, Topal Ardash (instead of official "Topalyan Ardash")
Avci Suren (instead of "Avcan, Suren")

To give you an idea:


Official Name (ficticious) How we would say it

Seferyan Xachig => Safar Xachig
Meletyan Melik => Malatsi Melik
Zebelyan Ardash => Zebil Ardash
Keshyan Margos => Kashchi Marges
Cholakyan Arut => Chologhli Arut
Chuvaldjan Bedros => Chvalci Bedres
Melkonyan Sahak => Melkon Sahag
Ican Gevork => Ici Kivor
Delyan Vartush => Dali Vartush

Note: some Armenian last names of non-Hamshen origin would be really hard to squeeze into this form of prononciation. Only Hamshen Armenian names seem to be "convertable" like that :)

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Postby Khachkar53 » 24 Apr 2008, 21:56

Zdravstvuyte vsem.. ya iz Tursi sela Beydere(bivhsoe Tsupe) Fndikli raya ize goroda)) u nas v sele vse Amsheni,voshe u morya Lazi ivutnashi predpochli Gori)) no ya gorjus tem chto ya Gores)) ladno eshe raz zdravstvuy vsem..
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