Who are Hamshens for Us(armeinans).

[Hayasa]

Hi all.
I'm very glad to find this forums of Hamshen.
Thank you all for such interesting information about this uniqal "nation".
Why "nation" ?- I used to call hamshens(mostly of Turkey's hamshen or Khemshils of Russia and Middle Asia) a seperate nation with armenian roots,
like ukrainans and russian -as the branch of one nation.
Unfortunaly in Armenia ,people know very few(I'll say average armenian do not know anything about hamshens),the part who know something ,sometime unfortulay consider Them turkozied armenians.My opinion is not that.I consider hamshens a separate nation with islamik fate and armenian origin.
I think the main goal of Us(people who are interesting of raising hamsheni culture and self-consciousness) will be introduction armenians to hamshens and hamshens to armenians.
I actualy don't care about the religion,I care about language and identity.
I see it's very beatiful language,very uniqal music,I've seen some pitures of hamshenis and begin love you more and more.
The main purpose of Us today will be recognizing of hamshens as a separate nation of armenian branch.
I'll be grateful if you share your opinion and idea about this question.

[MAFRAT]

[Hayasa]

Where the west Hemshins live.
I know very few about this part of Hamshins.
Are there any similiarites between 2 part of hamshin ,I mean in language and custom.
Are west Hemshins aware of their origin?

[MAFRAT]

[Hayasa]

Mavrat have you any sources regarding western hamsheni language vocabulary.
I want to see how much it differs from armenian(including our dialects) and how is similiar to turkish.
The fiew word I could find in w.Hamsheni dialect , exists in other armenian dialects as well.

And also in a song "Gelini" -I've not understood any word -is that song in w. hamsheni?

[MAFRAT]

[Hayasa]

The song "gelini" I've downloaded from this site,but could not understand any word.
But in other song "Nenni Nenni" (which melody seemed like to "Gelini") ,some words and phrase was understandable form me.

[MAFRAT]

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[MAFRAT]

KARACA, İbrahim (2006), Hemsin-Tarih Dil Gelenek ve Gorenekler, İstanbul:Çivi Yazıları


this link is working....

http://d3240682.temp90.hostica.com/Hems ... Karaca.pdf

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[Hayasa]

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[Hayasa]

Thanks for lirics
Is this song in turkish or in western hamsheni?

As I guess only this topic is in еast hamsheni is :

Çağatsknivar kalesku
Kuim, lazut vaantskuş
Ka kezi gesmat ça ta
Cermag laçag vaatskuş

Enişte enişte:

Pelafin vaan yağe
İnç elluşe balli ça
Harsez piyag temsketsag
Momnu babe balli ça

[MAFRAT]