Hayvanlar ----- Animals of Hamshen

Historic Hamshen: maps, information
Где находится Амшен: карты, сведения.
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Postby hagop » 04 Aug 2007, 17:11

Not: Yukardaki konu KULTUR kismina tasinmistir.
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UWE BLASING'in topladigi Hemsince hayvan isimleri

Postby hagop » 04 Aug 2007, 17:22

(The Hemshin: History, society and identity in the Highlands of Northeast Turkey kitabindan)

cucik -- bizde cut/cutik=tavuk yavrusu, civciv
aklecut -- bizde akloracut (aklor=horoz) genc horoz
koşat -- bizde diyalektlerde koşot=genc koc
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Postby Garmicur » 04 Aug 2007, 18:14

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Postby el-hemşini » 06 Aug 2007, 12:27

hagop wrote:Bu gunderme Kirzioglu avanesineydi, El-Hemsini.


farkındayım :mrgreen:
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Postby hagop » 06 Aug 2007, 17:30

Garmicur,

Achmeghu < arc (ayi) + meghu (ari)

Dogrusun, "titer"e bazen "titer" diyoruz bazan da "titernik".
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muçki

Postby princemishkin » 09 Aug 2007, 16:48

Arkadaşlar, muçki, daha doğrusu bizim ağzımızla mutski diye bir hayvan biliyor musunuz? bir de cinör ya da dzinör diye bir hayvan?
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Postby hagop » 13 Aug 2007, 07:49

Hatirladigim kadariyla Rize Hamsinlilerinde "dzinor" sincap demek. Hopa'da sincaba ne diyorlar acaba?
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Postby Hayrik » 14 Aug 2007, 16:35

Bravo Hagop iyi iş yapmişsin hayran kaldim.
Libart klimesi beni oldürüyor. Armeni dil bilimcileri bu güne kadar ne toplaya bidilerse toplamişlar, lehcelerden, eski ve yeni armeni yazilardan.
100 binlere varan Armeni kelimeleri, daha bir çok yazilmamiş ve kayb olan dialektlerle ve o dialektleri konuşan insanlarin kaybiyla kayb olmuş kelimeleri var. El yazilarda yakilmiş. Bugün yanlizca Erevanda eski el yazilari kutubhanede (Matenadaranda) 16000 eski Armeni el yazilari var. Bu sayidan yanlizca 900 yüzü araştirilmiş ve basilmiş.
Şimdi biz çakala ve tilkiye ''Ağves'' deriz. Bu kelimenin eski telaffuzu ''Alues'' dir. Hind Avrupa eski ana dilinden olan bu armenice kelimenin Yakin akrabasi olan Sanskrit dilinde ise ''Libart''a yakin bir kelimedir. Eger Lazcada, Gurcucede, yunancada bu kelime yoksa, demek ki halen yazilmamiş bir kelimeyi bulduk.
Bunuda itiraf edeyim ki epeyi unutulmuş ve yanlizca sözlüklerde kalan kelimeler oğrendim.
Arkadaşlar, muçki, daha doğrusu bizim ağzımızla mutski diye bir hayvan biliyor musunuz? bir de cinör ya da dzinör diye bir hayvan?

Iveze (mosquito) armenice mjeğ ve modzak demezler mi? Yani hem mjeğ hemde modzak.
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Re:

Postby freeblacksea » 14 Sep 2008, 00:20

Hayrik wrote:.
Arkadaşlar, muçki, daha doğrusu bizim ağzımızla mutski diye bir hayvan biliyor musunuz? bir de cinör ya da dzinör diye bir hayvan?

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sincap'in cinor gasin hopa'in hamshetsi e
lusnikain lusin meche kaligum....

http://www.hopaninsesi.com

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Re:

Postby Hayrik » 22 Jan 2009, 19:54

el-hemşini wrote:Libart
Çakal
Jackal
Canis Aureus :mrgreen:


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We have Liparit (eastern) and Libarid (western) male name. Any relation?
Hagop, ի՞նչ կ’ըսես:
http://armenian.name/index.php?a=term&d=5&t=1072
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Re: Hayvanlar ----- Animals of Hamshen

Postby hagop » 26 Jan 2009, 04:46

Hayrik,

I heard that the word "lipart" is from Laz. Maybe the personal name Liparit comes from that, I don't know. I believe it was the linguist Ajarian who wrote that that name came from Georgian into Armenian about a thousand years ago. When the meaning of Liparit is discovered, we may be able to see if they are related.
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Re: Hayvanlar ----- Animals of Hamshen

Postby avetik » 27 Jan 2009, 06:52

We had some people in our village with first name Libar. Do you think there is any connection?

astegh badmutine hin
xarnevadza nerin hed,
kidista miy baberun azbarininq himi menq,
azbarininq menq... (c) Hamsheni Azbar
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Re: Hayvanlar ----- Animals of Hamshen

Postby Hayrik » 27 Jan 2009, 12:41

"Libar" should be the minifying of "Libarid".
I think, while our ancestors used names like gayl (wolf), arriutz (lion), artziv (eagle), may be used as a surname, libart too, a metonymy to this predator animal.
We know the relation between laz and georgian languages. Ajarian says we took this name from georgians, as well as laz use this as name for jackal.
May be "jackal" (libard), didn't sound bad in this era among these people as it sounds bad in Turkish language (çakal).
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Re: Hayvanlar ----- Animals of Hamshen

Postby avetik » 28 Jan 2009, 03:31

In Russian to call somebody a "jackal" (шакал) is a major offense.
Probably same for Armenian environment, so I tend to think that personal name Libar probably originates from some other root...
By the way, we call jackal -- ղըյապ (ghiyap), if I remember correctly.
Artsiv -- yes, we have a few people with that name in our village.

astegh badmutine hin
xarnevadza nerin hed,
kidista miy baberun azbarininq himi menq,
azbarininq menq... (c) Hamsheni Azbar
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Re: Hayvanlar ----- Animals of Hamshen

Postby hagop » 30 Jan 2009, 08:00

I believe the Hopa Hemshinli also use khiyap for jackal.
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